Does Tim Blair still do global warming jokes?

31 Oct

One of the staples of uber-Right humour has been the Global Warming Joke, and Timmie has had some doozies. I wonder where they are today? Not so funny any more, is it? I am not so partisan as to suggest the Australian government doesn’t care, and some of its proposed measures are no doubt good in themselves. But their whole stand-out on the Kyoto Protocols, for all the imperfection of those protocols, is looking more and more like “lack of ticker”. NineMSN’s poll at the moment is running strongly in favour or our signing up, and the extraordinary interest shown here in my brief entry on David Suzuki further indicates what “the people” feel.

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18 responses to “Does Tim Blair still do global warming jokes?

  1. ninglun

    November 2, 2006 at 2:25 pm

    We are all of us, the commenters, Tim Blair, and myself, such experts in climatology and related sciences, aren’t we? None of our opinions really is anything at all, except as opinion and/or self-display. BTW, Amos, I can’t recall banning DDT personally, or saying any of the other things you attribute to me, so who is/are the “you” referred to?

    So why don’t we all go over to Global Warming on Wikipedia and debate it there where some people who know what they are talking about are likely to reply, or Global Warming Controversy. No need for further references in a brief comment like this, as there are plenty to follow up in those two articles.

    It could turn out that Tim Blair’s wit is the 21st century version of 15th/16th century jokes about that mad idea the world is round and orbits the sun, or it could be he is right. Do any of you really know, or do you just enjoy the game he plays? The whole issue is one where Right versus Left is really total crap; the climate does not know anything about politics.

    I do not necessarily subscribe to the most alarmist views on the subject, and indeed can contemplate the necessity of nuclear energy as well as alternative sources, but I suggest we all try to think about the subject, which really is not funny, no matter how you put it. Prime Minister Howard is not laughing.

  2. PW

    November 2, 2006 at 2:41 pm

    Wikipedia is now a serious discussion platform for controversial scientific issues? I’m starting to think you’re writing parody here. If so, well played.

    As for Tim Blair being a “21st century version of 15th/16th century jokes about that mad idea the world is round and orbits the sun”, we at Casa Blair tend to think it’s much more likely that the Glowball Warming alarmists are the 21st century version of the 1960s resource depletion alarmists, the 1970s global cooling alarmists and the 1980s population explosion alarmists. Primarily because, y’know, a heck of a lot of today’s global warming doom mongers were also part of those three groups. Funny how that works, isn’t it?

    Not that it really matters…you get to feel smugly superior over us simpletons who won’t get with the politically approved program, and we get to relentlessly make fun of people like you who substitute breathless hysteria for critical thinking. Everyone’s a winner!

  3. Kevin

    November 2, 2006 at 2:42 pm

    “You dissented, Ninglun. The Authoritarian Right doesn’t like that.”

    Good Lord AV, don’t get all pouty. The right likes that just fine, especially when it’s funny. This one’s kind of funny.

  4. ninglun

    November 2, 2006 at 2:51 pm

    I don’t say Wikipedia is the total authority. But I do wonder what scientific authority you would find acceptable? New Scientist? Nature? The US EPA? Nor have I called anyone a simpleton; others can make that call: “…you get to feel smugly superior over us simpletons who won’t get with the politically approved program.” No, but what if it is you who is wrong? What will you tell your grandchildren? I do know that Australia is having the worst drought anyone remembers at this time, and that is why our government, agree with their strategy or not, is getting serious about all this.

  5. ninglun

    November 2, 2006 at 2:57 pm

    I think I’ll just let the commenters comment without further intervention, unless someone says something utterly outrageous… Let’s see how much actual knowledge appears here.

  6. Amos

    November 2, 2006 at 6:49 pm

    The planet has undergone immense climate changes and warm-cool cycles for it’s entire history. There is no real evidence that this current small warming trend (following a short cooling one leading up to the end of the 70’s which was when you idiots were convinced of an impending ice age) is linked to co2. Since you want to base your claim on an appeal to authority, fine, the case we’re making in those specific terms is the climate change alarmists have zero credibility. Because:

    1- The same basic crowd of book-sellers, conference-attenders and doomsday profiteers like Ehrlich have been predicting the end of the world for decades with pathetically little to show for it

    2- The highly political nature of the green movement and it’s strong links to Marxist ideological refugees from the cold war whose real agenda is anti-human (the DDT and GM banners, and Malthusian population-control nuts), anti democratic (the Stalinist left) and anti-capitalist (the commies, business-haters, anti-G8 protesters, anarchist ratbags, economically illiterate Hollywood celebrities etc) who have a long and sordid history of parasitizing genuine green movements for their own purposes.

    3- The rather messiac, religion-like fanaticism of allot of greenie propagandists have and their tendency to exaggerate with a clear conscience since they don’t consider it lying IF IT’S SAVING THE WHOLE EARTH FROM DESTRUCTION!!!!!!!!!!

    4- The fact that meteorologists can’t predict the weather next week, let alone in a hundred years and can only chart temperature trends, which have varied wildly for millions of years before the internal combustion engine was invented.

    5- The ‘cure’ being peddled by millionaire international leftists and green movement alarmists would do massive damage not only to the industrialized world, but also consign millions in the developing world to poverty, which in turn would be ruinous to the environment since poor people have no ability to look after their ecosystem, have high birth rates and are forced to rely on things like slash-and-burn farming and crude, polluting technologies. Impoverished populations are also very vulnerable to political corruption and oppression by worthless, kleptocratic leaderships like the Suharto regime who are also incredibly rapacious and destructive to the environment. The countries who look after their environments are the affluent westernized ones and the cure to ecological depredation is mostly political, more freedom, rule of law, free markets generating wealth and democracy.

    So to summarize, we don’t trust you and also, I might add, don’t like you. We don’t believe anything you say and don’t care if you’re in another tizzy about something you probably just made up to inject an element of imagined danger and thrill to your boring, comfortable middle class lefty lives.

    In addition, we don’t care if the weather gets slightly warmer over the next hundred years. I hope this has helped you understand our position.

  7. AV

    November 2, 2006 at 7:03 pm

    Got that, Ninglun? You made global warming up. You made it all up.

  8. Amos

    November 2, 2006 at 8:23 pm

    I think it’s pretty clear the ‘you’ means loosely, the general climate alarmist side of the debate. If that semantic nit-picking is the best you can do I’m going to leave it there. People like you are just too f—- boring to bother with.


    On which intelligent note, I declare this thread closed. Just as well, as apparently I am a Stalinist. That will come as a surprise to any Stalinists who happen to visit my blog. On Tim’s site I note:

    Here’s what I wrote, I only repost it here since he’ll probably delete it like a good little Stalinist:

    First it was global cooling, a new ice age was going to sheath Europe in glaciers. Then the ‘population bomb’ was going to lead to mass starvation in the 1980s remember? Your idiotic panic over DDT managed to get it banned and lead to the deaths of millions of people in the developing world. Now they hysterical green left is all about global warming, their latest imaginary boogyman.

    You people have cried wolf so many times nobody takes you seriously. You asked rhetorically ‘not so funny anymore, is it?’ as if we’re all shaking in our shoes over here, yeah it’s still funny, we’re still full of contempt for you and nobody thinks you have a clue about science or anything else.

    Anyway, a few thousand years ago Europe WAS covered in glaciers. What melted them, I thought Fred Flintstone’s car was powered by his little feet? You people are the listless punchline to a lame joke that stopped being funny around 1974.

    Grow up, or, failing that, piss off.

    Posted by Amos on 2006 11 01 at 10:46 PM • permalink

    So there you are, Amos, I’ve let you say it twice. Now you may go and visit the Stalinists at Evangelical Environmental Network & Creation Care Magazine, or at the Evangelical Climate Initiative:

    As American evangelical Christian leaders, we recognize both our opportunity and our responsibility to offer a biblically based moral witness that can help shape public policy in the most powerful nation on earth, and therefore contribute to the well-being of the entire world…

    Over the last several years many of us have engaged in study, reflection, and prayer related to the issue of climate change (often called “global warming”). For most of us, until recently this has not been treated as a pressing issue or major priority. Indeed, many of us have required considerable convincing before becoming persuaded that climate change is a real problem and that it ought to matter to us as Christians. But now we have seen and heard enough to offer the following moral argument related to the matter of human-induced climate change. We commend the four simple but urgent claims offered in this document to all who will listen, beginning with our brothers and sisters in the Christian community, and urge all to take the appropriate actions that follow from them.

    Claim 1: Human-Induced Climate Change is Real…

    But what would those Stalinists know? Or those other Stalinists at Catholic Earthcare Australia.

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